Sheehan was PROTESTING... that's why!

Just heard on CNN that the police in DC are saying that the reason for her arrest was that her T-shirt constituted a protest in and of itself.

So now, you effcetively must have a permit to wear an anti-war T-shirt in DC?  They put her in jail, presumably, for breaking a law, not Congressional Rules.  S this means that they are now intrepreting a law clearly intended to control groups of people, to keep them from clashing with other groups of people and spreading chaos across a city, they take that to mean that oppositional expression is illegal!!

Unbelievable.  How can the this be happening?!?  WTF!?! Clearly Bush has fueled the authoritarian streak in our society at all levels, from the DoD down through whoever was tossing Sheehan in the lock-up so that Mr. Delicate wouldn't have to see the blood on his hands reflected in his glorious, meaningless, myriad half-standing ovations.

Freedom is on the march!  When will it reach the land of the free?  Man! I can't wait until we get a little of this freedom of speech that BuchCo keep talking about, supposedly spreading all over the world.

Seriously... the Capitol Police and DC should be ASHAMED of their over-zealous, homonym-based jailing of Cindy Sheehan.  Of course, Bush is beyond shame.



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Protest or not. (1.00 / 1)

She should have not have done what she did.  The House Chamebers has a strict dress code and Tee Shirts are not allowed.  Basicly the code is where what you would wear to church, she was not the only one removed for wearing a tee shirt the wife of Florida congress man Clay Young was also removed for wearing a tee shirt.


by THE MODERATE on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 12:49:36 PM EST

Re: Protest or not. (none / 0)

Everything that I have read indicates that she was arrested for "protesting", not for violating the dress code.

Also, was Clay Young's wife arrested and fingerprinted?


by Sanity on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 01:08:45 PM EST
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Look at the picture (none / 0)

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/01/31/s heehan.arrest/index.html

The police spokesman is quoted as saying "She was asked to cover it up.  She did not."

When you look at the picture, it doesn't look like she is trying to cause a scene and it does look like the t-shirt is covered up.

Does anybody have any pictures that contradict this?


by Sanity on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 01:13:13 PM EST
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Re: Protest or not. (3.00 / 1)

As was commented on the same story, this dress code applies more to members, not to invited guests.  I believe that they specifically said that women often wore T-shirts to the capitol.

I'll tell you who shouldn't have done what they did.  Bush shouldn't have gotten all those people dead beause his panties were in a wad.

And a dress code violation doesn't get you ARRESTED!    And she was arrested because she wore something that GW wouldn't approve of.  Everything else is pretext.


McCain sucks!
by teknofyl on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 02:11:12 PM EST
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Re: Sheehan was PROTESTING... that's why! (none / 0)

So I guess there's still some civility and equal treatment. Young's wife was wearing a pro-Bush shirt and she got removed.

Yeah, the State of the Union in the United States Capitol is probably NOT a good time for a protest.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 01:00:06 PM EST

Re: Sheehan was PROTESTING... that's why! (3.00 / 1)

A T-shirt is not a protest.  A protest involves multiple people, usually some chanting, signs, etc.    

Unless no one is allowed to protest, i.e. disagree, with BuchCo?

Oh well... I guess you don't mind  'free' speech only when it's convenient to those in power.  Either tyhat, or you are REALLY strict about dress codes.  


McCain sucks!
by teknofyl on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 02:14:17 PM EST
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Re: Sheehan was PROTESTING... that's why! (none / 0)

Actually, it's probably a GREAT time for a protest. You have the entire government in one place at one time. When would be better?


by Lucas O'Connor on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:24:38 PM EST
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Bill Young (none / 0)

The other woman removed from the House was Beverly Young, the wife of C.W. "Bill" Young.  The initials stand for Charles William.  Clay Shaw is another Florida Republican House member.

Incidentally, Young is 75.  His wife, who is 50, is reported on Politics 1 as a possible candidate for his seat (presumably if health issues intrude).  No Democrat is running against him.  He is the subcommittee chairman who was "in charge" of Duke Cunningham and the Duke-stir's interests.

Young's reaction to the "protocol" is interesting as a reference.  He was "furious" according to the St. Pete Times and scheduled a meeting with the head of the guards, presumably to call him on the carpet.


by David Kowalski on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 01:32:41 PM EST

Re: Bill Young (none / 0)

And she wasn't arrested. How convenient.


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by Michael Bersin on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 03:03:57 PM EST
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Re: Sheehan was PROTESTING... that's why! (3.00 / 1)

I am wholeheartedly with teknofyl on this one. While Sunday-school-clothes-only may not seem to be an offensive rule, the banning of quiet, non-disruptive, political speech in the People's House is disturbing. This administration detains people in Guantanmo without hearing or counsel. It detains people in secret cells throughout Europe without hearing, counsel or even access by the Red Cross -- in violation of the Geneva Convention. They conduct warrantless wiretaps of phone calls from overseas -- "trust us, we only listen to calls to or from al Qaeda." And now, they arrest a woman for wearing a T-shirt bearing a political statement in the House Gallery. Yeah, equal treatment my patootie -- the Repub Congressman's wife was "removed" but she wasn't arrested even after calling one of the officers "an idiot." The Congressman's comments on the removal? "Shame, shame." Come on, folks, wake up. It's chip, chip, chip at our civil liberties. They don't bring in the Gestapo on the front end. Remember Martin Niemöller's famous quotation: "first they came for the communists, and I did not speak out because I was not a communist ...." We should be heartbroken and outraged at this President's cynical trampling of our civil liberties in the name of "protecting" them.


There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics -- Mark Twain
by stlkaper on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 01:55:40 PM EST

Re: Sheehan was PROTESTING... that's why! (none / 0)

If the congressman is acting like that he is showing great snobbery and I think the Democrats should use it as a campaign tool.


by THE MODERATE on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 03:08:17 PM EST
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Sheehan was treated consistently... (1.00 / 1)

Sorry, it'd be fun to pretend that Sheehan was being single out but that just isn't true.  Because of bad experiences with people coming to the senate and house galleries and protesting all sorts of things both chambers have strict rules against any kind of protest or messaging in the gallery (t-shirts, signs, banners, etc.).

Sheehan was removed last night for wearing a war protest message t-shirt.  Conservative Republican Congressman Bill Young's wife was also removed last night for wearing a t-shirt that said, "I support the troops."

In January of 1999 a Pennsylvania teacher was removed for wearing an anti-Clinton t-shirt in the gallery during impeachment proceedings.

It's a rule and its just that simple.  If people don't like it it is perfectly fine to not like it and even to work to change it.  But to slip tinfoil on your head and claim that this is some conspiracy against Sheehan or our side is just asinine and goofy.

You know... I've tried to be supportive of Cindy Sheehan but she just keeps getting more and more annoying.  Almost as annoying as the blind sheep-like following of some of you who support her no-matter-what.  With each incident the right wing epithet of "media whore" seems to fit a bit more.

Does anyone here REALLY believe Sheehan's assertion that it was just an accident that she wore that t-shirt to the SOTU???!!!  Does anyone doubt that she just LOVES the attention?

Look, I've been against this war from the beginning.  When Cindy first came out I was a huge admirer.  But she is wearing thin.  And, worse than that:  she is not helping our cause.

Our cause is to end this war and take back control of our country.  We can only do that by WINNING elections (am I the only one on here who is tired of "moral" victories???  You know as in a LOSS.  As in, "Wow, Hackett only lost by 4 points so that's actually a victory."??).  Sheehan puts off many more people than she attracts.

You control government by winning elections and you win elections by presenting sound and reasonable leaders offering sound and reasonable solutions.  We are a proud party of intelligent thinkers with brilliant ideas.  Let's not let t-shirt wearing protestors who just love the atteniton be the face of our party.

Okay Sheehan Kool-Aid drinkers... start firing away!


by Bridget Dwyer on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 02:21:23 PM EST

You don't need to spam us. (none / 0)

You don't need to spam us.


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by Michael Bersin on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 03:02:38 PM EST
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Re: Sheehan was treated consistently??? (none / 0)

Being arrested is being treated "consistently"? That's nonsense. Sheehan was removed AND arrested. The Congressman's wife was not arrested. She was "merely" removed -- shameful as it is.

If that is consistency, then it is of the same damnable sort of "consistency" which we have had to endure for five long years from this consistently unlawful administration.

Oh, and this just in .... Capital Police have asked that the charges be dropped against Sheehan. She broke no rules or laws. Ooops. All's well that ends well, I suppose, huh? Where is that hardworkin' cop. We oughta go have a beer with the Patriot.


There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics -- Mark Twain
by stlkaper on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 06:23:15 PM EST
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Bynum v. U.S. Capitol Police Bd. (Dist. D.C. 1997) (none / 0)

Your self-righteousness is so touching.

Glenn Greenwald nails 'em:

...In Bynum v. U.S. Capitol Police Bd. (Dist. D.C. 1997) (.pdf), the District Court found the regulations applying 140 U.S.C. § 193 -- the section of the U.S. code restricting activities inside the Capitol -- to be unconstitutional on First Amendment grounds. Bynum involved a Reverend who was threatened with arrest by Capitol Police while leading a small group in prayer inside the Capitol. The Capitol Police issued that threat on the ground that the praying constituted a "demonstration."

That action was taken pursuant to the U.S. Code, in which Congress decreed as follows: "It shall be unlawful for any person or group of persons wilfully and knowingly . . . to parade, demonstrate or picket within any Capitol Building." 140 U.S.C. § 193(f)(b)(7).

As the Bynum court explained: "Believing that the Capitol Police needed guidance in determining what behavior constitutes a 'demonstration,' the United States Capitol Police Board issued a regulation that interprets 'demonstration activity,'" and that regulation specifically provides that it "does not include merely wearing Tee shirts, buttons or other similar articles of apparel that convey a message. Traffic Regulations for the Capitol Grounds, § 158" (emphasis added).

Nothing Sheehan did could even be remotely construed to constitute a "demonstration." She was sitting quietly in her seat wearing a t-shirt, an activity which is expressly excluded from the activities prohibited by this statute and, in any event, could not possibly be criminalized consistent with the First Amendment. We don't have a system of government -- at least we didn't used to -- where someone can be arrested for wearing a t-shirt that expresses criticism of the President...

And then this, via Glenn Greenwald:

Capitol Police dropped a charge of unlawful conduct against antiwar activist Cindy Sheehan on Wednesday and apologized for ejecting her...

...Sheehan's T-shirt alluded to the number of soldiers killed in Iraq: "2245 Dead. How many more?" Capitol Police charged her with a misdemeanor for violating the District of Columbia's code against unlawful or disruptive conduct on any part of the Capitol grounds, a law enforcement official said. She was released from custody and flew home Wednesday to Los Angeles.

Young's shirt had a message with a different tone: "Support the Troops -- Defending Our Freedom."

"They said I was protesting," Young told the St. Petersburg Times. "I said, `Read my shirt, it is not a protest.' They said, `We consider that a protest.' I said, `Then you are an idiot."'


I wonder why they arrested Cindy Sheehan and not Beverly Young. As far as I can ascertain, Cindy Sheehan did not call the officer an idiot.

Who's wearing the tinfoil hat now?

Greenwald ends with:

...And it is still unclear, to put it generously, why Sheehan -- who apparently complied with the request to leave -- was arrested and detained for four hours, while Young, who argued bitterly with the Police and even called the officers "idiots," was simply asked to leave and not arrested.


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by Michael Bersin on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 08:59:53 PM EST
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They don't get to choose (3.00 / 2)

And neither do you apologists for this administration's mocking of the Constitution.

The White House doesn't get to choose what expression is acceptable or not. My God, this was in the "people's house" - if the Constitution doesn't apply there, where in the hell does it apply? This was not one of his election campaign events on "private property".

Did they remove any and all individuals who had any symbolic expression on their person. A yellow ribbon pin, perhaps? What if Cindy Sheehan had worn a gold star? Would that painful reminder be acceptable? If so, why not a shirt? The White House isn't supposed to be able to choose what is acceptable or not.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

The fear of disruption? Gee, whatever happened to "all we have to fear is fear itself?"

You'd think that if a school could deal with non-disruptive self expression then the White House could probably do the same.

...The school officials banned and sought to punish petitioners for a silent, passive expression of opinion, unaccompanied by any disorder or disturbance on the part of petitioners. There is here no evidence whatever of petitioners' interference, actual or nascent, with the schools' work or of collision with the rights of other students to be secure and to be let alone. Accordingly, this case does not concern speech or action that intrudes upon the work of the schools or the rights of other students....

...The District Court concluded that the action of the school authorities was reasonable because it was based upon their fear of a disturbance from the wearing of the armbands. But, in our system, undifferentiated fear or apprehension of disturbance is not enough to overcome the right to freedom of expression. Any departure from absolute regimentation may cause trouble. Any variation from the majority's opinion may inspire fear. Any word spoken, in class, in the lunchroom, or on the campus, that deviates from the views of another person may start an argument or cause a disturbance. But our Constitution says we must take this risk, Terminiello v. Chicago, 337 U.S. 1 (1949); and our history says that it is this sort of hazardous freedom - this kind of openness - that is [393 U.S. 503, 509] the basis of our national strength and of the independence and vigor of Americans who grow up and live in this relatively permissive, often disputatious, society...


Tinker v. Des Moines (1969)

The majority of this was first posted at Kos.

Subsequent discussion pointed to COHEN v. CALIFORNIA, 403 U.S. 15 (1971)


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by Michael Bersin on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 03:00:26 PM EST

Re: They don't get to choose (none / 0)

It'd be neat to see a challenge from Sheehan or on her behalf on this.


by Lucas O'Connor on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:26:45 PM EST
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Content based restriction (3.00 / 1)

Stating that it's acceptable for the government to arrest people based on the content of their speech eviscerates the first amendment.  To allow the government discriminate based on content, means the first amendment is meaningless since any speech any where can be labeled a disruptive protest and banned.

It may be permissible to bar all political speech in gallery but that would mean even no lapel pins endorsed a political cause and purple fingers should certainly mean ejection.  Considering the blurring of religion and Republican politics, religious symbols should also be banned under such a restriction because they can be seen as a political message.


by Monkey In Chief on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 04:14:20 PM EST

That settles it (3.00 / 1)

That settles it. For the next "State of the Union" address everyone in attendance must be nude - no tattoos allowed, either.


543,895 votes
by Michael Bersin on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 04:53:53 PM EST
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Re: That settles it (none / 0)

Hilarious!  That is until thought of all those old republican bloviators nude started to wander into my mind....


by Monkey In Chief on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 05:27:10 PM EST
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